Мочегонные средства без рецепта

[Martina+Lana]

В частности почечный чай ортосифон. Моя подруга увлеклась им не на шутку( снимает отек , худеет, притом заметно ). А разве можно пить мочегонное без рецепта врача?

[sereda andrey]

Вообще без рецепта нельзя. Коль уж и ортосифон пошла речь, то и его не нужно.
Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. 2007 Oct 25. [Epub ahead of print]
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Orthosiphon Versus Placebo in Nephrolithiasis with Multiple Chronic Complaints: A Randomized Control Trial.
Premgamone A, Sriboonlue P, Maskasem S, Ditsataporncharoen W, Jindawong B.

Thai Traditional and Alternative Medicine, Department of Community Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, Khon Kaen University, 123 Mitrapap Road, Muang district, Khon Kaen 40002, Thailand. amorn_p@kku.ac.th.

Nephrolithiasis in the communities of Northeast Thailand frequently presents with multiple chronic health complaints, i.e. myofascial pain, back pain, dyspepsia, arthralgia, headache, fatigue, frank paresthesia, dysuria and any of these aggravated by purine-rich food (PRF). We assessed the efficacy of Orthosiphon in treating subjects with at least two active symptoms and negative for urine white blood cells. Subjects were randomly allocated to two groups. Crude extract of Orthosiphon given in a capsule (equivalent to 1.6-1.8 g of dried leaves of Orthosiphon) two times a day to Group 1 (n = 36) and a placebo to Group 2 (n = 40) for 14 days. The medication for each subject was packed and its code kept secret until the data analysis. Both groups were asked not to consume any of 25 purine-rich foods (PRFs) during treatment. The primary measure was the reduced sum of active severity symptoms as recorded using the visual analog scale before and after therapy (i.e. on day 7 and 14). The data on 76 subjects were processed. The mean of the total scores (95% CI) of the symptoms in each group were decreased significantly (P < 0.001); 185.6 (153.3, 218.0) to 94.7 (58.2, 131.2) in the Orthosiphon group and 196.1 (164.4, 227.8) to 89.6 (62.8, 116.5) in the placebo group. When comparing between groups, no statistically significant difference was found. The mean consumption in PRFs was significantly decreased (P < 0.001) in both groups; however, Orthosiphon did not have additional benefit over placebo at 7 and 14 days of treatment during which they reduced these foods.

[Martina+Lana]

Сообщение от sereda andrey

Вообще без рецепта нельзя. Коль уж и ортосифон пошла речь, то и его не нужно.
Evid Based Complement Alternat Med. 2007 Oct 25. [Epub ahead of print]
Links
Orthosiphon Versus Placebo in Nephrolithiasis with Multiple Chronic Complaints: A Randomized Control Trial.
Premgamone A, Sriboonlue P, Maskasem S, Ditsataporncharoen W, Jindawong B.

Thai Traditional and Alternative Medicine, Department of Community Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, Khon Kaen University, 123 Mitrapap Road, Muang district, Khon Kaen 40002, Thailand. amorn_p@kku.ac.th.

Nephrolithiasis in the communities of Northeast Thailand frequently presents with multiple chronic health complaints, i.e. myofascial pain, back pain, dyspepsia, arthralgia, headache, fatigue, frank paresthesia, dysuria and any of these aggravated by purine-rich food (PRF). We assessed the efficacy of Orthosiphon in treating subjects with at least two active symptoms and negative for urine white blood cells. Subjects were randomly allocated to two groups. Crude extract of Orthosiphon given in a capsule (equivalent to 1.6-1.8 g of dried leaves of Orthosiphon) two times a day to Group 1 (n = 36) and a placebo to Group 2 (n = 40) for 14 days. The medication for each subject was packed and its code kept secret until the data analysis. Both groups were asked not to consume any of 25 purine-rich foods (PRFs) during treatment. The primary measure was the reduced sum of active severity symptoms as recorded using the visual analog scale before and after therapy (i.e. on day 7 and 14). The data on 76 subjects were processed. The mean of the total scores (95% CI) of the symptoms in each group were decreased significantly (P < 0.001); 185.6 (153.3, 218.0) to 94.7 (58.2, 131.2) in the Orthosiphon group and 196.1 (164.4, 227.8) to 89.6 (62.8, 116.5) in the placebo group. When comparing between groups, no statistically significant difference was found. The mean consumption in PRFs was significantly decreased (P < 0.001) in both groups; however, Orthosiphon did not have additional benefit over placebo at 7 and 14 days of treatment during which they reduced these foods.

А что вы дальше по анг. написали?
А почему нельзя? Вроде написано что почки прочищает, отек снимает.

[sereda andrey]

Сообщение от Martina+Lana

А что вы дальше по анг. написали?
А почему нельзя? Вроде написано что почки прочищает, отек снимает.

Потому что на заборе тоже написано. Я привел цитату из библиотеки конгресса США, а аннотация - только фантик. Нельзя просто потому, что препарат на людях не испытан. Может быть это и отрава чистой воды.

[Туссика]

А ваша подруга не хочет узнать причину своих отеков? Сердце, почки, щитовидка? Когда стали появляться отеки, где локализуются?

[Даша-Петя]

Сообщение от Туссика

А ваша подруга не хочет узнать причину своих отеков? Сердце, почки, щитовидка? Когда стали появляться отеки, где локализуются?

поддерживаю, мочегонные - не самый безобидный препарат.

[Martina+Lana]

Сообщение от Туссика

А ваша подруга не хочет узнать причину своих отеков? Сердце, почки, щитовидка? Когда стали появляться отеки, где локализуются?

Нет, с почками, щитовидкой у нее все в прорядке. Отеки....просто с мочегонным ей похудеть легче...

[sereda andrey]

В цивилизованном мире пока только лишь идут исследования этого препарата на крысах, а тут уже и на людях....
Phytochemical and pharmacological studies on Orthosiphon stamineus Benth. (Lamiaceae) hydroalcoholic extracts.
Olah NK, Radu L, Mogoşan C, Hanganu D, Gocan S.

SC PLANTEXTRAKT SRL, 3462-Radaia, Cluj, Romania. neliolah@yahoo.com

The main components of Orthosiphon stamineus Benth. leaves and extracts are the pharmacologically active polyphenols: the polymethoxylated flavonoids and the caffeic acid derivatives. Two tinctures, having different alcohol concentration, were studied from phytochemical and pharmacological point of view. The main polyphenols were identified and quantitatively determined by HPLC. Comparison of the retention parameters and UV-Vis spectra of standards and those of the separated compounds performed the identification of caffeic-, cichoric- and rosmarinic acids, respectively, of sinesetine and eupatorine. The quantitative determination was performed by external standard method. The diuretic, saluretic and uricosuric actions of the studied tinctures were compared by experiments on rats.

[Даша-Петя]

нет, ну вы представляете, сколько надо исследований сделать хорошему врачу, чтобы доказать, что отёки у данной женщины "идиопатические", а не связаны с каким-либо заболеванием. Причин для отёков множество, а не только "щитовидка" и "почки"!

[Туссика]

Даша-Петя, если я правильно поняла автора топика, то у этой женщины отеков как таковых нет вообще...